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Hey DAZ users,

Lali's Bits DS Version is available!!  




>>> Here it is!!! <<<



Available for DS4.x
(DS 4.5 & 4.6)

If you're familiar with Poser, get the Poser version and convert it for DS. This was originally a Poser product.

Thank you Poison, Arcas, Apocalypse, Ken, John, Supro, and all you other DS crazies that helped out.

TIP: read page 23 thoroughly!!!


An early customer just told me that if you've got a little bit of experience in coding, you can change the path to your V4 in the script to a V4 of your choice, it seems to work, he says. (but off course back the original up first!!) Thanks Peter!

Cheers!



PS: it NOT for Genesis, sorry. Its for Victoria 4!!
PSS: Erogenesis has nothing to do with DAZ's Genesis figure. The confusion is understandable, but I made up the name Erogenesis long before I even heard of DAZ Studio or their Genesis Character.


Installing tips:
https://www.renderotica.com/fora/showpost.php?p=62617&postcount=38
or
http://erogenesis.blogspot.com/2013/05/ds-users-read-page-23.html

Tips about Morph++, Elite, etc... 
https://www.renderotica.com/fora/showpost.php?p=62624&postcount=43


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Quick update thanks to Poison and "Lali Lover" (check comment below)
Injecting the Bits into custom V4 characters

Ero and Poison have sorted out the issue of not being able to load a custom character with Lali's Bits in DAZ.

Here is the magic from Poison:

-Save your custom legacy V4 char as CR2 in the same folder of Victoria 4.2.cr2. Let's suppose that you save it as "YourCustomChar.cr2";
-Using a text editor open the file "DS4 Lalis's Bits (1.04).dsa" that comes with Lali's pack;
-Line 9, where you see
var pathV4 = path0 + "/Runtime/libraries/Character/DAZ People/Victoria 4.2.cr2";
replace by
var pathV4 = path0 + "/Runtime/libraries/Character/DAZ People/YourCustomChar.cr2";
-Save the file and use it to create your perfect Lali from an empty scene;
-Save your lalified custom char as described in manual.


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About DS3:

"The opinions expressed in this post are solely those of the author Poison and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Erogenesis or Renderotica."

To all DS3 users :

Do you know what is Lali's Bits ? It is the most complex thing that has already been created using the conventional Victoria 4.2 as base, a true work of art that brilliantly uses the most complex and powerful resources available on Poser, allowing the amazing interaction between the figure and the prop. So it is not just another morph, it is not just another figure, it is much more than that, it is an extremely complex SYSTEM. There is an incredible net of dependencies between V4 and the prop, I counted over a hundred MCMs and JCMs throughout the system that interact with each other. For me it was a great challenge and a great pleasure to work with Erogenesis and bring Lali's Bits System (LBS) to DS4 users.

I wrote the preceding paragraph primarily because I was fascinated with LBS. Is it strange to speak, but she revived my passion for conventional Poser figures. The second reason is to justify my statement that DS3 is not fully capable of handling such a complex system.

DS3 is an dead and deprecated app, it uses an outdated file format within an old and inefficient internal architecture. Just the ruins of the DAZ's attempt to create a "Poser-like" app. DS 4 ( now 4.6 ) is a completely different program, much more intelligent and efficient, with much better file formats, architecture and workflow, being perfectly able to support (and even improve) the LBS, quickly and cleanly. Now DAZ, with DS4, is trying  to create a "better-than-Poser" app, with success on some aspects. As everyone can see, Poser 2014 finally brought some improvements that were clearly motivated by the competition with DS4, this is great for both programs and wonderful for us, the users.

In other words, you can try, you can insist, you can struggle, you can get any relative success, but using DS3 you will never have LBS running at its fullest huge potential. Install and enjoy DS4.6, it's free and it will allow the unprecedented LBS full experience.

Poison

Poser-DS conversion (using CR2)

In Poser Pro 2012: I did the whole python injection process, and saved the V4 as an unbinarized figure in Poser Pro 2012 (SR3.1; Version: 9.0.3.23027) (Edit > General Preferences > Last tab > uncheck "external binary morph targets". Don't forget to recheck when done.). Then I loaded that same figure into DAZ 4.5 and it seemed to work fine. The JCMs responded fine, the face morphs worked fine, the pussy opened fine. This process was tested and confirmed by a DAZ tster. Compatible with Steph, She-Freak, Morphs++...

This has been confirmed by Renderotica testers with Posers 8 and 9. I did it with 2012. Other versions just haven't been tested a lot...

So anyway, you can try if you want, or wait for the official DAZ version. I'm not a DAZ user, so, I don't dare to say that much.


Lali's Bits for Genesis?

Every month I get about three or more emails of people asking me if I'll make the bits for Genesis 2. The answer is no.

Genesis is not a bad figure and I have considered making the bits for Genesis many times, often just for the sake of making a lot of money. I considered trying to convert it with GenX like some pirate tried, but as you'll see it doesn't give the same results.

The three reasons I cannot make it for genesis is:

  1. I don't have the time, 
  2. I don't use Genesis (and will never use Genesis) 
  3. and I don't use DAZ Studio... and developing for Genesis happens exclusively through DAZ Studio. 

Mostly, developing for Genesis wouldn't be of any interest for me and my work because it doesn't satisfy any of the requirements for my comic characters, and she wasn't designed for my preferred 3D platform Poser. 

My characters are the world to me and they need a good base character. They have undergone (and still are undergoing) constant development and fine-tuning (sometimes daily) ever since I first adopted V4 as my base character. This even happens during comic production, when I see a small problem. She gets improved on the spot, gets saved into the library and gets loaded into the next scene. So as you can see, even now with Project E, this intimate and relentless process only works effectively within the same application. 

For a base character to replace V4 and uphold the detail I've managed to squeeze out of V4, she has to be better than V4. That means: better polygon distribution, more detail, improved UV maps (less seams in awkward places), more accessible, easy to develop, and bends better. Genesis doesn't offer significant improvement in any of those points (save perhaps the last one, but my V4 could bend even better than genesis) and therefore I see no reason to shift my entire workflow to conform to such a figure, especially since DAZ will probably make another version soon.


On that note, I also decided to step away from all this 3D figure hype because it severely limits me with my work. None of the 3D figures that recently came out showed any interest in catering for even mild erotica artists. Dawn was positively sexless and Genesis doesn't really show any eagerness in that area either. Even V4 had a nice patch of polygons in her genital area. In short, erotica artists will need to buy addons and fidget and fumble their way through a very intimate scene with a figure that just wasn't designed for it. So I thought to myself: why not just make my own figure, tailor-made for intimacy in more ways than one? I have the skills, so...?

Hence the development of Project E.

40 comments:

  1. Smart Parenting in DAZ 4.5.
    Parent the object in place, then with the parented object selected go to file/save as/support asset/figure-prop assets. This will bring up a "filtered save" pop up. Choose a location within DAZ My Library or create a folder in My Library, name your prop/figure and save. This will bring up a "Figure/Prop Assets Save Options pop up. I usually leave "Asset Definitions" all ticked and also compress files. TICK Smart Parenting then click accept. The prop/figure will be saved where you specified and if the parent too figure is selected, the prop will load and parent.

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    1. thanks for the tip!
      sorry I'm late with replying

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  2. No drama on late replies.

    I am more than a little disappointed at this particular moment. I have been a Poser user since Poser 5, then 6 then 8. I have also used Daz 2, 3, 4 and 4.5. All because they were free downloads when I have got them so I tried them. I was never impressed with 2 or 3. I started using 4 because I was able to get reasonable renders out and liked Genesis because it was weight mapped and also one avatar morphed to whatever was required. I find myself currently unemployed and couldn't upgrade to Poser 9 or 2012 Pro.

    I have just received an email from Smith Micro with a sale on Poser, $150.00 for 2012 Pro and $65 for Poser 9. Plus coupons giving 80% discount on figures, animals, clothing and creatures. I have just spent about $65 on Garibaldi hair (dynamic hair that Poser does as standard) and animate 2. Animate 2 was a washout for Genesis because of the subdivision that Daz does. Genesis looked so distorted with most animation.

    Bottom line, had I waited, I could have had Poser 9 for what I have spent trying to bring Daz 4.5 closer to what Poser can do.

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    1. That sucks major ass! I'd stick with Poser for now if I were you. I find DAZ to be a little bit all over the place now. Its good that its for free, but free software has a tendency to loose quality in my experience (perhaps because people are less inclined to complain bitterly haha).

      In the end, they are both good programs, but I think its a combination of what we're used to, and what we want out of them.

      I have been fiddling with DAZ for the last month and my conclusion is that its too much of an 'experimenting' modular plaform for me. I have no time for that and just wanna get on with it. In fact, before this I was thoroughly annoyed at Poser for a number of reasons but since I started to play with DAZ, my respect for Poser has grown. Its the perfect platform for me, simple, straight-forward and fast. More action for less mouse-clicking IMO. The renderer is fast, and very adequate for my purposes.

      One thing that struck me is that I found myself having to watch videos and look up tutorials to understand how to use DAZ, whereas I honestly never consulted Poser's manual before 2011, and since then I've checked it on occasion to learn about the dials in the SSS nodes.

      That doesn't mean DS is crap. By far. There are a lot of really good functions in DS that I wish Poser could have, like the push modifier, or smooth modifier, but it isn't so important to me that I'd leave the comparatively smooth sailing I experience with Poser.

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  3. I hope you don't mind, I have recently purchased LALI's bits (today) and have begun a conversion to the Genesis figure. Unfortunately, after hours of work, I mis-saved the directory information and am back to square one, but at least there are morph channels for *most* of the morphs. If I can stop from being lazy, I think I might try to restructure it again. BTW: Freakin' AWESOME project you have here. Best of luck with everything!

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    1. there you are... I kept on forgetting to reply to you!

      hey, good luck haha. If you manage to port that shit over to V5, then you have my respect! The biggest bitch is the ERC coding, the way the JCMs respond to the leg movements. If you can get that shit translated, give me a call, then we might have something very cool going.

      Thanks man. And thanks for buying. Don't forget to enjoy it huh? :)

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  4. In relation to the discounts on Poser and other items as mentioned above. It seems it is only a newsletter subscriber offer. I have checked both Content paradise and Smith Micro web sites and the prices are the standard price. Content Paradise page where you subscribe to the news letter does say subscribers receive speacial offers not available to the general public. The offer expires 21 march. SO I have some deep thought between now and then as Poser Pro would be nice. When I click on the link to purchase either version of Poser it goes straight to a shopping cart with the discounted price.

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    1. ooooooooooooh now THAT's a tough one! Yeah I got the full package Poser Pro 2012 and even though it might be a little on the expensive side, I have no regrets at all. I know little about Poser 9 except that its doesn't have a few features, the one I know is the full body morph load and delete which I really cannot do without. Honestly? $150 for Poser Pro 2012 is a fucking bargain of note, from $500 to $150 is nuts, that's even cheaper than the upgrade. Read the terms properly, if there's no tricks, I'd say go for the real deal, not half...

      ... but that's me :)

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  5. OK, I have been naughty and bought Poser Pro. It looks like I need to double my efforts to find a new job. Erogenesis, I will be sending some money your way tomorrow or the day after as I also want Lali's bits. I've over 5 GB to download so I will be busy for a while. It is a full (digital only) version. I would suggest they are soon to upgrade to a newer version as these sales have in the past been an offer just before a version upgrade, then they usually follow up with a great upgrade offer. But I could be wrong.

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    1. haha naughty indeed! Dude congrats, and yeah get that job!

      Listen, post any questions here if you get stuck (that way other folks might also find it useful), whenever I have time I can help you out.

      It is my intention to make a simple tutorial for making awesome renders in Poser. In the process I'll share some of my settings and lighting etc...

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    2. Thank you, I will, as I am sure I will have questions and tips and techniques are always helpfull.

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    3. in fact, slap them over here:

      http://erogenesis.blogspot.com/p/poser-help.html

      I'm sure there are more folks with Poser questions.

      Hey! enjoy, ok?

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  6. As a PS. if there are any Daz users reading this and want a 70% discount on Poser Pro or 78% discount on Poser 9, I suggest you subscribe to the news letter as the offer is valid until 21 March and I would think the next news letter woould also have a reference/link to this sale.

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  7. Erogenesis, a suggestion if you were ever thinking of making a Lali bits for Daz Genesis, it would not be the best to use a smart prop. Genesis uses what is referred to as geo grafting. For example, Vicky 5 genitals are a geo graft. From what I see it seems that the geo graft take the place of the genesis geometry and then reacts as if it is the genesis geometry, complete with texture maps etc. I don't claim to be an expert, in fact, I am less than a novice. But I have always wanted to know more. It seems at this point in time, Blondie9999 a Daz vender has two tutorials for sale that seem to cover everything from making figures for daz studio to geo grafting.
    http://www.daz3d.com/rigging-original-figures-in-ds4-pro
    http://www.daz3d.com/advanced-rigging-in-daz-studio-4-pro
    With a limited time offer of buy advanced rigging and get 50% discount on rigging original figures.

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    1. Yeah I heard of this Geografting thing. Yet another complex workaround that might be short-lived or not. Both DAZ and Poser are not really coming up with solid solutions to help the 3D artist along their way. Some people are convinced by Genesis, others are not. I don't give a shit, I just wanna make my comics. All I want is a fast workflow good renderer at the end.

      As for figures, V4 really made a big impact on the market and its not even finished IMO: they didn't even bother to make proper software to help make smooth injections... and now this Genesis thing. Yeah right. I'm not impressed. And after experimenting with DS itself, even less so. Its all over the place. Neither DAZ or SM are really getting to the point and making an all-round user-friendly app that helps you order and master everything you need as a 3D artist. DS cannot even render properly, Poser's workflow seems to be quite solid, but its FBM handling is still lousy. What's the point of having Genesis if you cannot even make it look nice (or maintain it)? They both seem to be farting around, enjoying the freedom of monopolizing a small market.

      I don't know, I'm kindof making my own plans rather than kiss DAZ's ass once again. I've kindof had enough of DAZ and I'm beginning to feel the urge to start writing my own rules. We'll see...

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  9. on this clip can you seen ,how do I create Lali for DAZ 4.5 Pro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDyt1D6Gjyk&feature=youtu.be

    and a pic Lali of S4

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100062241138438055459/albums/5854590362409604049/5854590446720577250?authkey=CPKjhsqtm8zifw

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  10. very very cool!!!! thank you for sharing that with us!
    why did you take down the pictures, they were cool too!

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  11. it was just a test to see how well it can work with DAZ 4.5 Pro.
    Ok, yes it is ..... especially because yes, the program is available for nothing.
    But there is no doubt, Victoria 4.2 is just more versatile. Although one the Genesis - can use figure well as a dummy. Every star needs his double and why should not Lali also get a stunt double.
    And I as a layman in matters 3D art still looking my way.

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  12. Ok so first things first, your product looks amazing and is EXACTLY what I am looking for and have been longing for, so I got over excited when i saw this advertised on Renderotica.com. So i read the description and saw it needed DAZ's V4 to work but, and here's the dumbass-move on my part, didnt see anywhere that is wasnt compatible with DAZ itself. So i bought it. It wasnt until i read the manual in the download that i saw It wouldnt work in DAZ without a poser import. I know you had the user manual as a free download on the advertisement page but i got over excited and didnt read that first. im NOT criticizing you OR your product, it looks amazing, but id ask , could you please put a little something in the description to say its not yet available for stand alone DAZ use, so other dumbasses like myself dont get too over eager. I know i lost $20 but I dont see it as a waste, because i know you guys are working on a DAZ version and when it comes out, it will be fantastic. Thanks,

    one facepalming dumbass.

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    1. OOPS! I just realised I replied to the 'no-reply' email of blogger and not to you! :P

      Talkabout facepalming... please send me an email and I can also help you out in the morning!!

      I'll email Rotica tomorrow about the description.

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  14. one look at the sample renders and i bought Lalis bits in a flash. unfortunately didn't realise til afterwards that the injections don't work in DS, and there are issues with Poser 7. guess what ? - I own Poser 7. However, i primarily want to use it in DAZ Studio 4.5, so what i want to know is can Poser 7 adequately convert the injections to use in DS 4.5? Is there going to be a DS upgrade any time soon? and will there ever be a Genesis / V5 version?

    I love this utility and i'll be heartbroken if i cant use it.

    PS, my eyesight isn't what it was, so the only way I can read this site is to copy all the text and paste it into a word processor. grey text on a black background isn't a good idea really. i used it myself when i was younger and less experienced in the art of graphic design - learned its shortcomings the hard way..

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    1. Thanks for buying. Send me an email and I can help you out in the morning!! Off to sleep now.

      I better get that text changed over at Rotica... :P

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  16. do i have to rebuy this product to get the DAZ update once its done?

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  17. Dear Erogenesis.

    Your product is wonderful and I will still buy it, despite having Poser 2012.
    But your comment for Poser and Daz Studio everything you think of the two programs is the same with me. Only in reverse. I met Daz studio, I got used to it and do not fit in Poser.

    But, in my opinion, are two great programs. Professionals prefer to do all the clothes rigging in Daz Studio. But prefer to do your Renders in Poser. For me, this war, this prejudice of a program against another big silly. Users fight for better program. But who wins is Daz3D and Smith Micro are partners and not worry about the big mistakes of their programs.

    I have a question for you, I have a charcater for V4, very famous, I would like to know if your product will work with my character.

    Follow the link, 4 RAR files. Do not underestimate my character she is great. Download and try it, you will like Bruuna and tell me if your product can work with your shape.

    Thanks and a big hug.

    Roberto.

    _ Sorry my bad Inglês!

    http://www.sharecg.com/v/60497/view/21/DAZ-Studio/BRUUNA-FOR-VICTORIA-4.2---PART-1/4


    http://bruuna-fanpage.deviantart.com/

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    1. Hey, Roberto!

      Just wanna say thanks for contacting me. You are a legend in 3DX land, with your Bruuna figure, from what I hear. I've downloaded her but haven't tried her yet. I will do so this week some time, I've been tooooo busy!

      It would be cool to do some kind of a cameo in a Lali comic, where Lali meets Bruuna somehow. Hehe would be fun.

      Anyways, I'll keep you posted. Is there any other way to contact you directly??

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  18. Yop Erogenesis,

    I've just bought Lali's Bits for DS and wanted to let you know that this is a wonderful product, something I was craving for a long time.

    I have to admit that I was a little bit confused at the beginning, but as you said I should have read the manual and not dive into it right away ahah my bad ;-P

    It's gonna take me a little while to rebuilt some of my character using your amazing piece of work but know that my comics will now be a bit better thanks to you.
    Should you wanna have a look at what your art brought to mine (even if I'm not as good as you guys) your lali's bit will be part of my next Fallen Star chapter on

    http://h3ncomics.blogspot.com

    Again thanks a lot,
    Shinra-Kun

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    1. wow, dude. Your art looks very elaborate!

      thanks for buying!! I hope you have a lot of fun with it. Be sure to start fresh, save regularly. I've got like a hundred versions of Lali!

      If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. I'm here for you guys... might take a while to answer hahaha ;)

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  19. Erogenesis, i waited a long time for the daz version bit unfortunetly after reading all the notes i think i will not work for me because my V4 lives in a poser style runtime. The only solution wold be the script change done by one of the users you described on top.of the page. Cold you contact him a get more details or make a tutorial. I really want to add Lalis bits to my runtime. Thanks.

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  20. Hi Erogenesis,

    Lali's Bits installed in same library then Victoria 4.2, I load "Lali's Bits" And Daz Studio crashes without any messages, I checked "DS4 Lalis's Bits (1.04)" with NotePad, and the directory is fine.... but still doesn't work. Hope you have a solution !

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  21. Hi Erogenesis,

    I recently ordered Lali's Bits for DS and found it just smashing. But it appears there is a problem with an interaction with the Morphs++ package. The sliders for:

    BreastUp
    BreastDown
    BreastIn
    BreastOut

    no longer work. The other morphs seem fine.

    For new work this isn't a huge problem, but existing pose files use those sliders and now they have no effect. Any pointers on what we could do for workarounds? Thanks.

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  22. Hi Erogenesis,

    Thought you may like to see a WIP image of one of my characters with Lali's Bits. Please take into account it is only a test image and not the final result.

    I used DS 4.6.2.118 (I know you really don't like DS much), the next set will be in Poser Pro 2012 (SR3.1).

    Anyway, hope you like it.

    You may find on my Blog here: http://twodads101.blogspot.com.au/

    Look forward to your reply.

    BTW, you Rock buddy!

    Cheers,

    TwoDads

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    1. Ah there you are! I checked and I did reply. Lol don't even remember.

      Thanks for stopping by... half a year ago haha

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  23. Hello Erogenesis!

    Is it at all possible to load the Lali's Bits system onto an existing V4 or V4.2 character, or does the character have to be entirely rebuilt from the figure that your script generates? I'm guessing from information I'm finding that this probably isn't possible, but it would save me a LOT of time, so I figured I'd ask. Thanks!

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    1. yes it is! read below! Sorry for the late reply!

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  24. Hi Peeps :)

    Ero and Poison have sorted out the issue of not being able to load a custom character with Lali's Bits in DAZ.

    Here is the magic from Poison:


    -Save your custom legacy V4 char as CR2 in the same folder of Victoria 4.2.cr2. Let's suppose that you save it as "YourCustomChar.cr2";
    -Using a text editor open the file "DS4 Lalis's Bits (1.04).dsa" that comes with Lali's pack;
    -Line 9, where you see
    var pathV4 = path0 + "/Runtime/libraries/Character/DAZ People/Victoria 4.2.cr2";
    replace by
    var pathV4 = path0 + "/Runtime/libraries/Character/DAZ People/YourCustomChar.cr2";
    -Save the file and use it to create your perfect Lali from an empty scene;
    -Save your lalified custom char as described in manual.

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    1. Thank you very much! Sorry for the black out!

      Concerning Project E, one of the most important things I am arranging for that is for someone else other than me to take over the customer service, perhaps even a proper helpdesk depending on how popular it will be. Lali's bits took me by surprise and I still struggle to keep up with my inbox while getting on with my comics.

      But for now, thank you again, Lali Lover! I owe you!

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Hey, because of a sudden influx of spam, I need to moderate comments from now on, unfortunately. I'll try find a work-around in the meanwhile. Cheers!